That's only on Tuesdays, BV.
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Apple Gives 100k to NO no Prop8
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That's only on Tuesdays, BV.
Yes, I left this thread alone a bit coz I could honestly sit here and fight all day :classic2:
Theres a difference between fighting and debating.
I could debate it all day too, however some of the arguments presented here are obviously based on nothing but fear and hatred and presented by people who have an obviously closed mind.
So it makes it pointless to debate since even when you present a valid response, instead of making an attempt to counter they just repeat themselves and ignore the argument.
The other problem here seems to be that some people view the ISSUE as a religious one.
Of course, people are entitled to their religious view on homosexuality, but this isnt a religious issue, its a political/legal one, and the Religion has no place dictating policy or law, no matter how much it wants to.
I could debate it all day too, however some of the arguments presented here are obviously based on nothing but fear and hatred and presented by people who have an obviously closed mind.
So it makes it pointless to debate since even when you present a valid response, instead of making an attempt to counter they just repeat themselves and ignore the argument.
The other problem here seems to be that some people view the ISSUE as a religious one.
Of course, people are entitled to their religious view on homosexuality, but this isnt a religious issue, its a political/legal one, and the Religion has no place dictating policy or law, no matter how much it wants to.
Most people don't understand the difference between debating and fighting.
Which I find to be a pity, as I enjoy a good debate. Especially as a well thought out discussion can lead to a more open mind and new thoughts - e.g. someone may change your opinion or help you see topics in a different light.
Which I find to be a pity, as I enjoy a good debate. Especially as a well thought out discussion can lead to a more open mind and new thoughts - e.g. someone may change your opinion or help you see topics in a different light.
Would you say you're a master debater?
It seems your missing my point. I'm personaly against Prop 8 But I am a stockholder in apple as well. I am compleatly pissed off as I think this is a waste of company funds. Steve Jobs has millions of his own money I think if he was for this he should donate out of personal money not companies.
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I'm still strongly in favor of prop 8 and a apple shareholder. I'm thinking of selling as this is bull ----.
Thats just paranoid, i never attacked your sexuality :/
I meerly asked you 2 questions relating to your sexuality as part of my argument. They didnt even require an answer, the were rhetorical...
The above comic makes an good point, not long ago, you would have all been arguing that blacks and whites shouldnt marry.
However they can, and has it caused a breakdown of society? Did it cause national disaster?
Hell no, but of course all the bigots out there were making alot of noise about how it would, even the church was against it, just as they are this.
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are you joking? society is screwed up more than ever..
A good debater wouldn't need to ask personal questions about ones sexuality to back up their "argument", no matter which way you twist it, at the end of the day you was attacking my sexuality in the hopes to some how make your point more valid.
John
Whoever wrote that comic is proof people seem to like gay marriage and hate incest, but all the gay marriage views are "let them do what they want" well let everyone do what they want....
I changed my views to "let everyone do what they want, who gives a ----?"
Ben made me realize it don't really affect me, but that gos for more than just gay marriage, that gos for any type of marriage, however by your posting of such a comic I guess you are one of them people that decides "Gay is unnatural but ok" "Incest Is unnatural but its not ok simply because I dont like it...."
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If you can't be respectful when giving an argument, then you're a bitter and hateful person, Ben. I deserve to be stoned- for what exactly?
See: http://nchsr.arts.unsw.edu.au/publications/
Homosexually active men account for between 85-89% of new HIV diagnosis; and around 66-70% of all HIV infections in Australia. Drug use, from memory, accounts for less than 5% of HIV transmissions - but then, we're talking about a disease that doesn't spread very easily through shared needle use; hepatitis is far more readily spread using needles, whereas HIV is difficult to spread as it dies quickly outside the body.
The material I've linked to above (which is a reputable source) says otherwise.
And no one dies from HIV as such they die from the other diseases they contract while suffering from AIDS - in the same way someone with chronic arthritis who is medicated for it will become more sick getting diseases much more easily due to the deprecation of their immune system.
No, I said that would happen if all men became gay (in Australia). As it is, gay men make up 3.2% of the male population in Australia - that's 1.6% of the total population; BUT they make up over two thirds of HIV sufferers.
That's a FALSE argument. Look in the mirror and ask yourself when you chose to be male? The "GLBT"-advocates now claim transsexuals have rights which allow them to "choose" their gender; however if you ask a or a qualified professional medical opinion they'll tell you that a sex-change operation - while a choice - can only be applied after the patient has be diagnosed as suffering from a disorder. So, what the argument boils down to is: is gender identity disorder something normal, or is it as the name suggests a disorder?DavidsAwesome said:
I've sat down and talked to gays, and lesbians (but not to transsexuals) - what's your point? Oh how about I make my point clear: I understand it plenty.
Don't worry, I remember it well when I tried to explain that there's strong evidence that suggests that the only way a man can contract HIV is through his foreskin or through blood-to-blood contact. Exactly what you described happened "Oh you are so uneducated, circumcision makes no difference to the spread of HIV"; and at the time that evidence was over 2 years old and had since been corroborated by newer studies. I get the impression that half the people here don't know how to do original research.
An attack would be me accusing you of being gay, rhetorical questioning is a widely used method of making a point during a discussion. Go look at any political debate and you will find it full of such statements.
To me, thats how everything should be.
If you arent harming other people, then whats so bad about it?
But dont you think allowing Gay marriage would LOWER the HIV infection rate. Marriage promotes monogamous relationships, rather than people sleeping around in secret, wich is responsible for most STD transmissions.
As I've said before (but not directed at you before) ... you should have been born before the civil rights movement.
And I'm a very bitter and hateful person, if you hadn't already noticed.
tlchosting
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Hi,
I am gay my self and plan on getting married some time next year to my current boyfriend.
Personally any one who has an issue with gay marriage has an issue with them self plus there is a rise in the amount of divorce has risen in heterosexual relationships so why not let us homos have a go. :biggrin2:
Are these heterosexuals who have a problem with gay marriage, have a problem because gay men might show them up and keep there marriage going?
Or maybe its because they are gay them self and in the closet?
I used to get bullied at school because of my sexuality and now well 86% of them bully's are gay now.
My self and my nan are disgusted with the fact people now a days be leave marriage is just a piece of paper that when they are bored they can rip it up.
A lot of gay men will not think about marriage but then they do they want it to be for life. I have two gay friends both in there 60's and they have been together 52 years.
I am gay my self and plan on getting married some time next year to my current boyfriend.
Personally any one who has an issue with gay marriage has an issue with them self plus there is a rise in the amount of divorce has risen in heterosexual relationships so why not let us homos have a go. :biggrin2:
Are these heterosexuals who have a problem with gay marriage, have a problem because gay men might show them up and keep there marriage going?
Or maybe its because they are gay them self and in the closet?
I used to get bullied at school because of my sexuality and now well 86% of them bully's are gay now.
My self and my nan are disgusted with the fact people now a days be leave marriage is just a piece of paper that when they are bored they can rip it up.
A lot of gay men will not think about marriage but then they do they want it to be for life. I have two gay friends both in there 60's and they have been together 52 years.
