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Hefter Prision Sentences for Drug Offenders (US)
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robin
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I thought this would be rather apropos at this point in the thread.
Dave Barry described the difference between Republicans and Democrats as such:
Say you get a flat tire on the highway and try to flag down other cars for help. A Democrat will gladly stop to help you, but he won't know what he's doing and he'll accidentally blow up your car while trying to fix it. A passing Republican will know exactly how to fix your car, but he won't stop because it would make him late to Ugly Pants Night at the country club.
Dave Barry described the difference between Republicans and Democrats as such:
Say you get a flat tire on the highway and try to flag down other cars for help. A Democrat will gladly stop to help you, but he won't know what he's doing and he'll accidentally blow up your car while trying to fix it. A passing Republican will know exactly how to fix your car, but he won't stop because it would make him late to Ugly Pants Night at the country club.
Tsk Tsk... haven't we already discussed how Spain is trying to legalize or at least decriminalize drugs? Anywho... the pyramid I am referring too is a pyramid, and this is why.
1. Starting at the top and going down are the richest, and there are few of them. These are the bourgeois, or the people that own the means of production.
2. Starting from the bottom and going up are the proletarians, those who do not own the means of production, and thus must sell their wage labor to the bourgeois to survive. There is a bit of a grey area in the middle because the ownership of the means of production might be owned by many people, and although they may own the means of production, they are not as well of as those who own the sole means of production in a particular field, so they are in the middle, but are still bourgeois.
3. Who ever said that a pyramid means that the lower part occupy the majority of the population? This shows how ignorant you are. Say we have a pyramid with 20 levels, the top 3 levels are the upper class, the bottom three levels are the poor and the middle 7 levels are the middle class. So, the population is represented equally, but it still shows the pyramid effect of capitalism. For every few at the top, there is a multitude below them supporting them, working in their factories and buying their products.
For you visual learners: Pretend this is 1/2 of the pyramid. (triangle actually, being 2d and all)
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1. Starting at the top and going down are the richest, and there are few of them. These are the bourgeois, or the people that own the means of production.
2. Starting from the bottom and going up are the proletarians, those who do not own the means of production, and thus must sell their wage labor to the bourgeois to survive. There is a bit of a grey area in the middle because the ownership of the means of production might be owned by many people, and although they may own the means of production, they are not as well of as those who own the sole means of production in a particular field, so they are in the middle, but are still bourgeois.
3. Who ever said that a pyramid means that the lower part occupy the majority of the population? This shows how ignorant you are. Say we have a pyramid with 20 levels, the top 3 levels are the upper class, the bottom three levels are the poor and the middle 7 levels are the middle class. So, the population is represented equally, but it still shows the pyramid effect of capitalism. For every few at the top, there is a multitude below them supporting them, working in their factories and buying their products.
For you visual learners: Pretend this is 1/2 of the pyramid. (triangle actually, being 2d and all)
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Subsidies won't help them in the long run, I agree on that, but they need some form of financial support. Ignoring the lower class? WTF are you talking about, haven't you heard of Rev. Al Sharpton and the National Action Network?
Business is not a direct way of solving the struggles, but it does help past due time. Thus, business and financial subsidies must be used hand in hand.
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Libertarians: give more financial advantages to the upper class
Republicans: give more financial advantages to the upper class and some to the middle class as well
Democrats: give more financial advantages to the lower class
(Of course in reality elected democrats and republicans all end up supporting the corporations, but I'm talking idealistically here.)
To me, giving the advantages to those who need them the most makes a lot more sense than giving them to a group that's the majority but which doesn't need it like the minority does. Lowering the the national median income isn't such a bad idea if it means significantly reducing poverty.
I hate the way all these arguments end up harping on about economics and seem to inevitably miss any issues of quality of life.
I don't care how rich I am what's the use of it if I can't have a reefer??
The US seems to be the only country still trying to harden laws on drug use. The rest of the world has realised this is not the way forward. The major factor that is stopping legalisation is past international agreements. Ironically it is only the rest of the world that worries about this sort of thing the US would have just labeled them as 'flawed' and ignored them.........
GC - learn about poverty and then disscuss economics.
I don't care how rich I am what's the use of it if I can't have a reefer??
The US seems to be the only country still trying to harden laws on drug use. The rest of the world has realised this is not the way forward. The major factor that is stopping legalisation is past international agreements. Ironically it is only the rest of the world that worries about this sort of thing the US would have just labeled them as 'flawed' and ignored them.........
GC - learn about poverty and then disscuss economics.
Bigperm, are you an idiot or what? That classification is wrong, don't give me any more crap, it goes like this:
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That is the actual representation of the US system. The middle class are very well off, and are mostly republican, the lower middle and lower class are democrat. The upper class are obviously republican aswell.
Lowering the median income means taking away $6,000 dollars from the Middle Class, $1,000 for the lower class and millions from the Upper class. It sucks, and communism or socialism suck.
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That is the actual representation of the US system. The middle class are very well off, and are mostly republican, the lower middle and lower class are democrat. The upper class are obviously republican aswell.
Lowering the median income means taking away $6,000 dollars from the Middle Class, $1,000 for the lower class and millions from the Upper class. It sucks, and communism or socialism suck.
GC... You just don't get the whole idea behind the trianle thing do you? IT'S NOT THERE TO REPRESENT POULATION!! We all know that there are more people middle class than anything else in AMERICA. America's population is a bell curve just like everything else. The pyramid represents capitalism and the idea behind it that the people at the top must have an exponential number of people below (poorer) than them to sustain their position. Obviously, you see what you want to see anyway... so it doesn't make sense trying to show you the light. Also... in third world countries (including yours) the population can be represented by a pyramid, because they have such a difference between the rich and middle, but that's beside the point.
And this one represents communism:
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The pyramid does not represent captialism, as the one I have shown does. America is the most captialist economy out there, and therefore is represents by the figure I demostrated. Furthermore, I must conclude republicans care more about the lower class, as you can see in my figure, that the lower class income increased by 5%.
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The pyramid does not represent captialism, as the one I have shown does. America is the most captialist economy out there, and therefore is represents by the figure I demostrated. Furthermore, I must conclude republicans care more about the lower class, as you can see in my figure, that the lower class income increased by 5%.
And furthermore, Argentina is not a third world country. For people like Bigperm who have so little knowledge about countries outside of them, Argentina traditionally had the largest middle class which is just making it right now. It survived the last parts of the recession.
This country follows the Washington Model, with an extremely well-developed industrial base, and has felt a 14% increase in Industrial production in the last month. The agicultural sector was hurt though.
And I am not Argentine, I am Spanish-American.
This country follows the Washington Model, with an extremely well-developed industrial base, and has felt a 14% increase in Industrial production in the last month. The agicultural sector was hurt though.
And I am not Argentine, I am Spanish-American.
No infact it is not. Argentina is not another Turkey, or Egypt. Which banking sectors collapse every three or four years. The Argentine banking system is fiscally sound. The country's per captia is just above $10,000... much more than any developing country in Africa, and just a bit below Portugal. You don't know anything about this nation.
Ok... this is wasting too much of my time. People who refuse to listen with reason, and think that a pism is a goemetric shape and don't understand anything even where I give a visual aide are not worth my time.
So heeding my own advice, I am just goign to remember that GC does not know what he is talking about, and I am going to ignore him. If we all do the same, maybe he will go away.
BIGPERM OUT
So heeding my own advice, I am just goign to remember that GC does not know what he is talking about, and I am going to ignore him. If we all do the same, maybe he will go away.
BIGPERM OUT
That 99.9% is the starving.
I am going to remember that Bigperm does not have a ****ing clue on what he is saying, and should back off for a minute.
Anymore of that crap, like what I said above, and this thread goes by-by.
Bigperm, you know shit about captialism, and how it actually helps everyone.
