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lol, you mean a drug ----ed idiot*
The difference being a drug user wont share needles and ----, where as a drug ----ed idiot would.
and it would be high between drug ----ed idiots, but as for drug users in general no...
Hep C is prob far more likely to spreed between normal every day drug users who use needles, sometimes the drugs arnt really clean, but that's because the government has made them illegal and nubs are making them, if it was legal the Hep C rate would die off because drugs would be made prop.
But thats another story.
TBH I cant really see how it would increase HIV allowing gay marriage, however with more people being gay overall it would and I believe that was the point he was making..
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I agree that drug users won't share needles and that it's "drug ----ed idiots" that do all the stupid ---- ... aka junkies/crackheads.
LOL @ "nubs are making them"
But how do you justify that embracing homosexuality in society would lead to more people becoming homosexual? Sure, more people might come out of the closet, but it's not going to cause the people who weren't homosexual before to become homosexual ...
What are you talking about?
Straight men are more likely to do drugs, drink too much and get into fights in bars than gay men.
What other destrictive behaviour are your talking about?
Yes, it is their body, and their choice, i would never deny people the right to make a choice in these matters, but i DO NOT like dealers, especially those who sell to children.
Really tho, when it comes down to is, these things are no different than the State sponsored drugs. Cigarettes, alcohol and Caffine, not to mention the pescription drugs. There are more deaths per year from alcohol and Cigatettes alone than there is from the others combined.
lmao, why do you think this?
Gays are depressed? They are amongs the happiest people i know, and the least likely to suicide or murder someone. Any increase in homocides would be from homofobic gay bashing barbarians..
They are the least likely to use drugs of the people i know.
2000% increase in HIV?? So if gay marraige was legal, you think there would suddenly be a 2000+% increase in people coming out of the closet? How unbelieveably paranoid!
Why cany you have it both ways? Straight people can.
They dont have to get married, and can have a de facto if they wish, but the point is, THEY HAVE A CHOICE.
You just lessened the impact of your whole argument by mentioning the church, and your affiliation with them, i have no choice but to assume you views are religion based.
It seems most of the people who are against it are so because of their religion, and not because of any logical reasoning.
Come on guys, if you want to argue against it, at least come up with some good reasoning.
dont say thing like there would be a "2,000% increase in HIV/AIDS infections alone - and vastly increased other diseases." without telling us why this would happen, without giving some clue as to how you come up with such peposterous arguments.
I wonder about this, actually.
If a child is raised by two men, or two women, in a same sex relationship, is the child more likely to be gay?
I was reading recently they found a "transsexual gene". Does anyone know what psychological research suggests about homosexuality?
Also, I've dodged reading a lot of this stuff as it seems to be spiraling a bit
. I have no problem with gay people at all, but I would find it interesting to know whether it's a "choice" or it just "is". Might do some reading ...
It's the old myth that you're born gay, there's a gay gene, or you're surroundings and lifestyle determine if you're gay or not. Which, I find false. It may change your apperance (if you believed to be gay you had to dress over the top, with all the camp trimmings of the stereotype, which I've seen from people I've talked to before - when they realised that isn't how you're gay, they stopped dressing like that.) It may also change your group of friends etc, and your socialising but if anything that happens AFTER you've realised your gay, not before.
There's a show that was aired on the BBC about John Barrowman - they did scienctific tests on his mental/physical state, and dertimened if his genes or lifestyle and upbringing made him gay, you should watch it, you can get it through the iPlayer I think.
There's a show that was aired on the BBC about John Barrowman - they did scienctific tests on his mental/physical state, and dertimened if his genes or lifestyle and upbringing made him gay, you should watch it, you can get it through the iPlayer I think.
One of my gay friends in Atlanta is quoted as saying .. "Man, I hate when gay guys act like girls. You can be gay without being a b-tch ..."
I've never met a gay guy who fit the stereotype, apart from being well dressed and immaculately groomed. But there are a lot of straight guys that dress well and groom to perfection, too. As for camp? Only seen that on TV.
One of my friends from school was a lesbian, and she actually did fit the stereotype pretty well - short cropped hair, always wore "butch"/"boyish" clothing, wasn't feminine at all. Having said that, I have also met many "tomboy" girls who are straight.
These kind of stereotypes are just junk.
Here here... the thing that pisses me off about some gay men is the way they act, and thats it...
anyway, you guys should read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosexual_development
It annoys me how they act, dress, and talk... but they're people. I was raised to believe that no matter what you don't like about someone, you still have to respect them because they're a person, and they have feelings, emotions, and they have the capacity to love... Just like you.
Being gay isn't about the clothing, it's not about the hair, the attitude... It's about embracing who you are, and realizing that you're different.
As far as a life full of sex in weird places and ---- like that... I always got the feeling that if people got married and had kids and settled down, it wouldn't be like that. Gay men/women don't really have to settle down and mature sexually and engage in a monogamous relationship if they don't really want to, because they can't really get married anyway. When you demean someones relationship by considering in a different classification, people consider it a less strong relationship. Of course there are exceptions and I'm not saying that all gay people are out ----ing all the time... but sometimes the stereotypes are true.
As far as it being a choice or not... I whole-heartedly believe that nobody chooses to be gay.... ever. Go ask a homosexual when they chose to be gay. For that matter, look in the mirror and ask yourself when you chose to be heterosexual. You didn't ever choose it, you were just attracted to the opposite sex and you never ever questioned it. Now imagine not being attracted to the opposite sex.... how confusing and ----ed up it is to feel so completely and utterly different than everyone else, and still having no clue why you feel that way until you actually talk to someone about it. Then later on in life you find out that just because you're not attracted to the same thing as other people, you can't get married and share the same blessings that they've received.
I suppose theres a sight chance it could have to do with the childhood-era upbringing, but if that's the case, I'd have to strictly draw the line that it'd be a 100% completely subconscious thing that you have no control over and cannot change. That being said, since no choice was ever made... It's natural.
...Furthermore, to the people who just say it's not right... Well, if you actually sat down and had a deep conversation with a gay person about it, you'd understand it more... People fear what they don't understand or don't know. They see it as dangerous and scary. Taboo. These are the same people that argue against teaching anything related to sexuality in schools... which confuses me. I would prefer that my kid understands that there are gay people, there are black people, there are transgendered people, there are people of other religions.. It's how the world works. We're all different, we're supposed to just accept it, realize that deep down we're all basically the same, and move on.
Again, I don't want to change anyones opinion because that's not my place, but I would encourage you to talk to people about these things. I'm a very outgoing, extroverted person... So it's easy for me to talk to people that I barely know about ---- that they understand better than I do. I enjoy changing my opinions after seeing other people's views on things because I feel like I've "reached across the isle" and "I've got the scars to prove it."
That is all.
And if I offend anyone please take it up in PM so we can avoid getting off-track in this thread.
Being gay isn't about the clothing, it's not about the hair, the attitude... It's about embracing who you are, and realizing that you're different.
As far as a life full of sex in weird places and ---- like that... I always got the feeling that if people got married and had kids and settled down, it wouldn't be like that. Gay men/women don't really have to settle down and mature sexually and engage in a monogamous relationship if they don't really want to, because they can't really get married anyway. When you demean someones relationship by considering in a different classification, people consider it a less strong relationship. Of course there are exceptions and I'm not saying that all gay people are out ----ing all the time... but sometimes the stereotypes are true.
As far as it being a choice or not... I whole-heartedly believe that nobody chooses to be gay.... ever. Go ask a homosexual when they chose to be gay. For that matter, look in the mirror and ask yourself when you chose to be heterosexual. You didn't ever choose it, you were just attracted to the opposite sex and you never ever questioned it. Now imagine not being attracted to the opposite sex.... how confusing and ----ed up it is to feel so completely and utterly different than everyone else, and still having no clue why you feel that way until you actually talk to someone about it. Then later on in life you find out that just because you're not attracted to the same thing as other people, you can't get married and share the same blessings that they've received.
I suppose theres a sight chance it could have to do with the childhood-era upbringing, but if that's the case, I'd have to strictly draw the line that it'd be a 100% completely subconscious thing that you have no control over and cannot change. That being said, since no choice was ever made... It's natural.
...Furthermore, to the people who just say it's not right... Well, if you actually sat down and had a deep conversation with a gay person about it, you'd understand it more... People fear what they don't understand or don't know. They see it as dangerous and scary. Taboo. These are the same people that argue against teaching anything related to sexuality in schools... which confuses me. I would prefer that my kid understands that there are gay people, there are black people, there are transgendered people, there are people of other religions.. It's how the world works. We're all different, we're supposed to just accept it, realize that deep down we're all basically the same, and move on.
Again, I don't want to change anyones opinion because that's not my place, but I would encourage you to talk to people about these things. I'm a very outgoing, extroverted person... So it's easy for me to talk to people that I barely know about ---- that they understand better than I do. I enjoy changing my opinions after seeing other people's views on things because I feel like I've "reached across the isle" and "I've got the scars to prove it."
That is all.
And if I offend anyone please take it up in PM so we can avoid getting off-track in this thread.
If that offended anyone, I fully support the busting of their skull.
This is so simple to understand ... I hold a deep contempt for people who discriminate against gays or try to condescend to them by calling it a choice and saying they chose to be gay ...
I going to have a damn cigarette before I go kick somebody's ---.
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So...
anyone in here wanna ----?
anyone in here wanna ----?
