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Wojtek

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If linux is oh so great for everything, find me Cubase, Live and Reason clones for it. Those are the 3 leading audio development apps for windows/mac.
 

Decker

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See there you go again
I can support what I'm saying, as I have
- no you haven't.
but I know nothing about video editing since I never do it
- so what qualifies you to proclaim the
best video editor in the world
The rest of your post is your usual ramble.
Hands up all those tired of this type of useless OS bashing :wave:
 

Darknight

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Please exlucde spelling mistakes in the followingf post as im very drunk,

First who are you to decide that linux beats windows??
I havnt had any spaware adwrae or virus for like 12+ months so that takes the ---- out of your 5 min time thatr evenly it takes to get a virus using xp
(we all know if you look a n909bish porn sites you get cvirus;s)
Anyway I think its foolish and chilcish to bag a whole OS over its fults all OS's have there fults inclduing linxu
ANd how the hell is it easy for a n00b to compile source codes?
 

Archbob

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Actually linux has just as many holes as windows and it goes down pretty easily. I use linux as my webserver and trust me, there's holes in Linux.

The reason it doesn't seem to have as many is because not nearly as many people try to hack linux as windows.
 

stuffradio

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No, I'm pretty sure Linux has less holes than Windows. Linux is open source, lots of people look at the source. They find security holes, and plug em.. hence it makes it more secure :eek:
 
See there you go again - no you haven't.
- so what qualifies you to proclaim the
The rest of your post is your usual ramble.
Hands up all those tired of this type of useless OS bashing :wave:
Just because I know nothing about video editing software, doesn't mean that I can't make the claim that the best one is being developed.

Now as for the rest of my post being "ramble", mr Decker, and for the fact that you want proof,

Linux Stability: All (good) webservers run linux, if you did a survery of webhosts here, 99% of them run linux, google runs linux, etc.

Linux Security: Kernel is utterly secure, permissions & groups system unmatched, look at how many viruses there are for linux, and them compare to windows.

Linux Features: Linux pioneered technologies like XGL, linux has workspaces, permissions, package managers, comes with c compilers. Windows has NOTHING.

Linux Speed: Takes up HEAPS less resources. Linux kernel is so light, it can be ran on anything. Even a bloody calculator.
When I used windows, it was constantly hogging all of my ram, and I couldn't do squat.
Now, I constantly have 20-30 things open, and never have to restart my computer, and still, I've never seen the memory usage reach even 80%

Linux Ease of Use: Nothing is easier than Linux. You don't have to go though crappy driver setups, connection setups, configure everything to bits - it does everything automatically and just works.
If you want to install something, you don't have to look all over the bloody internet for it, download it, install it, configure it, only to find out some time later you need to go through the entire process again because there's a new version.
Linux has package managers, which do all this and much more automatically.
Everything is helpful, colourful, practical and makes sense.
Windows is just utter BS.


How can you explain that EVERYTHING that's good is made for linux? Apache, PHP, MySQL, BIND, etc.
It's all made for linux then ported to windows. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think smart people use linux? Why do you think hackers use linux? Why do you think Google uses linux? Because it looks pretty, and has many different desktop environments unlike ugly windows?

The only thing Microsoft is good at, is reverse engineering linux and other open source technologies and incorporating them into their crappy software.


Just admit it, you are wrong, wrong as wrong can be - wrong.
 

Kwek

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Just because I know nothing about video editing software, doesn't mean that I can't make the claim that the best one is being developed.

Now as for the rest of my post being "ramble", mr Decker, and for the fact that you want proof,

Linux Stability: All (good) webservers run linux, if you did a survery of webhosts here, 99% of them run linux, google runs linux, etc.

Linux Security: Kernel is utterly secure, permissions & groups system unmatched, look at how many viruses there are for linux, and them compare to windows.

Linux Features: Linux pioneered technologies like XGL, linux has workspaces, permissions, package managers, comes with c compilers. Windows has NOTHING.

Linux Speed: Takes up HEAPS less resources. Linux kernel is so light, it can be ran on anything. Even a bloody calculator.
When I used windows, it was constantly hogging all of my ram, and I couldn't do squat.
Now, I constantly have 20-30 things open, and never have to restart my computer, and still, I've never seen the memory usage reach even 80%

Linux Ease of Use: Nothing is easier than Linux. You don't have to go though crappy driver setups, connection setups, configure everything to bits - it does everything automatically and just works.
If you want to install something, you don't have to look all over the bloody internet for it, download it, install it, configure it, only to find out some time later you need to go through the entire process again because there's a new version.
Linux has package managers, which do all this and much more automatically.
Everything is helpful, colourful, practical and makes sense.
Windows is just utter BS.


How can you explain that EVERYTHING that's good is made for linux? Apache, PHP, MySQL, BIND, etc.
It's all made for linux then ported to windows. Why do you think that is?

Why do you think smart people use linux? Why do you think hackers use linux? Why do you think Google uses linux? Because it looks pretty, and has many different desktop environments unlike ugly windows?

The only thing Microsoft is good at, is reverse engineering linux and other open source technologies and incorporating them into their crappy software.


Just admit it, you are wrong, wrong as wrong can be - wrong.
I don't think Linux can run on a calculator. ;)

Most webservers used Linux because it is most suitable for webservers, but that does not necessarily means that Linux is better. I suppose the way Linux is designed makes it easier for webservers. And who says good webhosts doesn't run Windows Server too? I've seen alot of webhosts providing Windows hosting and also seen clients looking for Windows hosting.

Helpful? On Ubuntu, I wonder how long I took to upgrade the bloody Firefox. I am pretty new to Linux at that time. If it's helpful, it should provide some directions. The package manager wasn't updated with the latest Firefox at that time and I had to ask on Ubuntu's IRC support channel.

Just pointing out some of the points which I do not really agree. I can't say much for the rest of them since I am not exactly that 'professional'. But I think I have the rights to express my views. I am not trying to bash Linux or whatever, but it isn't really that good as some people described it out to be.
 
I don't think Linux can run on a calculator. ;)
I wouldn't be at surprised if it in fact can.

Most webservers used Linux because it is most suitable for webservers, but that does not necessarily means that Linux is better. I suppose the way Linux is designed makes it easier for webservers. And who says good webhosts doesn't run Windows Server too? I've seen alot of webhosts providing Windows hosting and also seen clients looking for Windows hosting.
Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.
Google uses Linux and MySQL, and I think that says it all.

And you need to look at the underlying principles. Why is linux better suitable for webhosts?
Linux is very secure, with the right settings it can stop many attacks which windows is prone to, just because it has no permissions & groups system.

Linux, is just completely different from windows, it is designed to be secure, and it is....it is VERY secure.

Helpful? On Ubuntu, I wonder how long I took to upgrade the bloody Firefox. I am pretty new to Linux at that time. If it's helpful, it should provide some directions. The package manager wasn't updated with the latest Firefox at that time and I had to ask on Ubuntu's IRC support channel.
Ubuntu is a LTR (6.06), if you want the latest things, go with the 6.10 one, it will always have the latest.

Personally, I just dl firefox from their site like I would on windows. But I always am using beta/alpha software anyway. I use gaim beta, firefox alpha, goina install php 6 cvs, etc.

Most applications like firefox come with linux installers, which are like windows installers. Very simple.

Just pointing out some of the points which I do not really agree. I can't say much for the rest of them since I am not exactly that 'professional'. But I think I have the rights to express my views. I am not trying to bash Linux or whatever, but it isn't really that good as some people described it out to be.
It pays off in the long term, not in the short term.

I'm sure when you first started to use a computer (which I suspect had windows on it), you didn't know how to do much either.
Well this is very similar, but many basic things are the same.

It will take time, but in a few months, you'll be able to do anything you want on linux....just give it time. It's an entirely different OS, which works in a drastically different way to windows, so you shouldn't expect to ace it anytime soon.

But like I said, it pays off in the long term. You never have to worry about security, and constantly purchasing expensive software, keeping stuff updated, etc.

Linux lets you run wild with everything you want to do, because it takes care of or is free off all the problems of windows, which require you to spend hours working on, like security, maintenance, updating, etc.
 

Kwek

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I wouldn't be at surprised if it in fact can.



Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.
Google uses Linux and MySQL, and I think that says it all.

And you need to look at the underlying principles. Why is linux better suitable for webhosts?
Linux is very secure, with the right settings it can stop many attacks which windows is prone to, just because it has no permissions & groups system.

Linux, is just completely different from windows, it is designed to be secure, and it is....it is VERY secure.



Ubuntu is a LTR (6.06), if you want the latest things, go with the 6.10 one, it will always have the latest.

Personally, I just dl firefox from their site like I would on windows. But I always am using beta/alpha software anyway. I use gaim beta, firefox alpha, goina install php 6 cvs, etc.

Most applications like firefox come with linux installers, which are like windows installers. Very simple.



It pays off in the long term, not in the short term.

I'm sure when you first started to use a computer (which I suspect had windows on it), you didn't know how to do much either.
Well this is very similar, but many basic things are the same.

It will take time, but in a few months, you'll be able to do anything you want on linux....just give it time. It's an entirely different OS, which works in a drastically different way to windows, so you shouldn't expect to ace it anytime soon.

But like I said, it pays off in the long term. You never have to worry about security, and constantly purchasing expensive software, keeping stuff updated, etc.

Linux lets you run wild with everything you want to do, because it takes care of or is free off all the problems of windows, which require you to spend hours working on, like security, maintenance, updating, etc.
Updating software sure is easier, but I am not sure about security.

Yes I started with Windows... I was pretty young at that time. Windows is much easier to learn than Linux, so it is better for newbies. Linux can do more advanced stuff when you fully master it, however it does take time.

About the installers' part, Windows installers are much easier. I had to follow a guide to use the installer for Firefox.

I won't say much though, since I am not exactly that good at Linux. However, I do not think it is as "godly" as you made it out to be.

Oh by the way, just because Google uses Linux, it does not means Linux is the best. It is just their personal preference, they find Linux easier for their needs.

Once again, I meant no offence by my post. Treat me as a newbie or whatever you want, but I just felt like expressing my views in regard to your post.
 
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Updating software sure is easier, but I am not sure about security.
Not sure about security.....let me tell you something.

Last time I installed windows - the second, THE SECOND I booted it up for the first time, I got the sasser virus, and had to disc it from the net (comp), format and reinstall.

Yesterday we were installing windows on some comps in school (I was installing suse), and all the computers that were plugged into the net, IMMEDIATELY got the sasser virus.

This is how ---- and insecure windows is. So what about linux?

I've been running it for 3 months now, without any firewalls or anti-virus or anything, and I haven't had any security problems.

Ok?

Yes I started with Windows... I was pretty young at that time. Windows is much easier to learn than Linux, so it is better for newbies. Linux can do more advanced stuff when you fully master it, however it does take time.
Okey see, that's totally wrong.

How can you possibly say, that Windows is easier to learn from scratch, if you've never tried it yourself?
There are people, who DO in fact learn linux from scratch, and they find it VERY easy.
Everything on linux is significantly easier than windows - significantly, there's no need to ever configure or set up anything, search for anything, know anything, linux does everything you could possibly want automatically.

You could give linux to the most computer-illeterate person ever, and it'd work great, because they would not have to do ANYTHING, everything would just work out of the box, first time, every time. They would never need to take their computer to the PC shop because of viruses or spyware or crashed HDs or whatever.

And of course has advanced features for people who want to do it all or some of it themselves.

About the installers' part, Windows installers are much easier. I had to follow a guide to use the installer for Firefox.
BS, linux package managers, click and go.
As for installers, idk what installer you used, but linux installers are one-click setup. Firefox, Realplayer, etc - one click install
Maybe you were installing it manually for some reason, idk.

I won't say much though, since I am not exactly that good at Linux. However, I do not think it is as "godly" as you made it out to be.
It's above Godly. It's perfect in every way possible. It's God's modern-day gift to humans.

Oh by the way, just because Google uses Linux, it does not means Linux is the best. It is just their personal preference, they find Linux easier for their needs.
Personal preference my behind. Google uses it, because it's the fastest and most reliable.

Google is by far the best search engine, their market share is huge, and they have the best services like gmail. Why do you think Google is so successful? Why do you think linux is their personal preference and not something else?
Put the two together for God's sake....

Once again, I meant no offence by my post. Treat me as a newbie or whatever you want, but I just felt like expressing my views in regard to your post.
I don't feel offended.
 
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Archbob

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I don't know what the hell your doing with windows. I've been using it for years and I've never gotten any viruses. I've also used windows and installed them on other machines, I've never had a problem with Viruses. The only time I've seen people get Viruses/spyware is when they don't know what their doing and download something that had it attached.

There are Viruses for Linux, just not as many. You know why? Because no one bothers to write viruses for linux, not because its bullet proof. Using Linux as a webserver, I know there are holes in the Kernal and those holes have to exploited before, thats why there's patches all the time for the different versions of Linux being used as webservers. The Kernal is not flawless(I've had trouble with it on webservers) and the permissions, like windows, can get you in trouble, if you don't know what your doing.

Star, I've been running windows for years now mostly without the firewall(although its always smart to have a firewall up) or anything else and I've never had a problem either.

Linux, like windows, has its share of problems, its not flawless and its not God's modern-day gift to humans. For webservers I prefer Linux because I'm used to the LAMP setup, although ASP.NET is attractive so I do have a shared windows account.

In a recent study by PC magazine, it was found that Linux had just as many security flaws as windows while reporting that MAC OSX and FreeBSD were significantly safer than Linux or Windows.

By the ways MSSQL is a little better than MYSQL, but most big companies usually use Oracle. MSSQL has a few handy function that MY doesn't. For my purposes right now though, the two are identical.
 

stuffradio

Super Moderator#1
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kwekminghong said:
I don't think Linux can run on a calculator.
If it has a computer on it, you infact can put linux on it. They've put Linux on Stoves, Toasters, Fridges, etc. all the ones that have computers on it ;)
 

Wojtek

W as in Whisky
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Linux Ease of Use: Nothing is easier than Linux. You don't have to go though crappy driver setups, connection setups, configure everything to bits - it does everything automatically and just works.
Haha, that's funny you know. Last time I installed linux on my computer I had to install a windows driver wrapper to make my wireless card work with it. And then wrestle for hours to configure the damn thing.
 

Decker

Officially Old!
NLC
Give him the bits one or 2 at a time - it's obviously all to much for his calculator to handle.
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Google uses Linux and MySQL
- I think you'd better research that one a bit more.
2. My first linux desktop went south as X wouldn't recognise a basic gfx card, had to manually set everything and even then it bailed on login.
3. 'star' your doing a great job of looking a complete plank! Much better than linux could have did it....................
 

Nug

Mah Gituar Rox
NLC
I wouldn't be at surprised if it in fact can.



Yeh, n00bs who use ASP and MSSQL.
Google uses Linux and MySQL, and I think that says it all.

And you need to look at the underlying principles. Why is linux better suitable for webhosts?
Linux is very secure, with the right settings it can stop many attacks which windows is prone to, just because it has no permissions & groups system.

Linux, is just completely different from windows, it is designed to be secure, and it is....it is VERY secure.



Ubuntu is a LTR (6.06), if you want the latest things, go with the 6.10 one, it will always have the latest.

Personally, I just dl firefox from their site like I would on windows. But I always am using beta/alpha software anyway. I use gaim beta, firefox alpha, goina install php 6 cvs, etc.

Most applications like firefox come with linux installers, which are like windows installers. Very simple.



It pays off in the long term, not in the short term.

I'm sure when you first started to use a computer (which I suspect had windows on it), you didn't know how to do much either.
Well this is very similar, but many basic things are the same.

It will take time, but in a few months, you'll be able to do anything you want on linux....just give it time. It's an entirely different OS, which works in a drastically different way to windows, so you shouldn't expect to ace it anytime soon.

But like I said, it pays off in the long term. You never have to worry about security, and constantly purchasing expensive software, keeping stuff updated, etc.

Linux lets you run wild with everything you want to do, because it takes care of or is free off all the problems of windows, which require you to spend hours working on, like security, maintenance, updating, etc.
NO, google use Google OS
 

themoose

Sup, Recoil here.
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Installing ubuntu in VMWare, doesn't look bad considering it's free. Don't think I'd switch from Vista for it though.
 
So like, Your saying over 50% of normal computer users are lieing?
ok.
What you mean is this: You like linux more.
I like windows, I like linux too, To me they both have there uses!
I do bag windows, But I also bag linux
Windows has far more security issues
Linux is crap at installing desktop type programs,
Its easy if its a package!
Eitherway,
I dislike some things about linux and I dislike some things about windows!

To sit there and say "linux owns windows" is just silly If that was true EVERYONE would be using it. :classic2:
indeed
 
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