Your correct my friend the Ubuntu install disk is the live cd as well and it takes me about 45 minutes to get it via torrent..I am under the impression that the live CD was the full thing. Considering that I am posting from Ubuntu right now and all I used was the live CD.
How exactly is cutting out open source apps going to help GNU/Linux on its way to the top? And there are plenty of desktop environments that are incredibly customizable, namely FVWM, that someone could modify to their own ends if they wanted to create a windows-like desktop environment (or Mac OS X GUI-clone, which FVWM can be good at)Until someone takes Linux, creates their own apps for it, own desktop environment, cuts out open source aps and makes it easy for the average user it won't be a significant part of the desktop market. Right now, Mac OS X is the only desktop operating system besides windows that can claim a significant part of the desktop market.