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New way to use the net ?

AMC

serial slacker
NLC
http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/what_if_amazon_and_itunes_impl.php

I saw this, and thought it was a really interesting article.

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Before I read this I thought that facebook connect was a good idea in principle, but would just become one of a plethora of features that they offer which not many actually use to a full extent.

Now I think its going to become very important to the way in which we perform e-commerce, and networking.

The whole idea does scare me a little bit though, as in the blink of an eye, this throws web anonimity etc ... out of the window.

Anyhow, discuss... :p
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
Hell no!

Looks like another attempt by the man to keep an eye on everyone and everything they do! Time to start deleting all social networking accounts i think...
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
Um. The information is already ON THE INTERNET. If you don't want it shared... don't post it online. This doesn't strike me as being an issue at all... it's no different than Amazon or Apple/iTunes buying advertising through Facebook's existing targeting schema, except that it happens on Amazon/iTunes itself.
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
The information maybe on the net, but its not openly shared amongst different companies. Theres no links between accounts for services run by different companies.

Someone cant just enter my Facebook id into their search and be deliverd the results of what i purchased on iTunes, what websites i searched via goggle, why i purchesed from amazon and who my associates are from facebook, myspace ect.

Sure, given enough time, its possible to get alot of info on people from different sites already, but this just makes it too dam easy.

I recall the situation with JasonS last month where someone online was abel to tell him alot of details about himself from his bank details (wich he gained by exploiting his position). Jason was freaked out, and people here were rightfully in full support.
Imagine this guy had even more info.

To me, this kind of thing is too dangerous...
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
How could this guy have more info than his job as a collections agent provided him? That's completely illogical. Facebook ALREADY shares your personal information with these companies when they buy advertising, this is no different. There are lots of centralized search sites where you can enter a person's e-mail address and find out all KINDS of information about them aggregated from other websites. The links between the accounts with different companies exist because they're in the same medium - the internet - where, if you didn't notice, everything is linked to everything else :) You have no expectation of privacy when you post data on websites whatsoever. That's ridiculous. If you think of the metaphors for the internet - bulletin board system, community board - if you were to post a list of your favorite music on a bulletin board at your community center, you wouldn't get pissed off when someone from the record store read it and made suggestions for albums next time you went to his store, would you? And what if he had to join the community center before gaining access to the bulletin board? That's no different - publicly accessible information is publicly accessible information. If you want a right to privacy, build your own, separate social network. You're a user of someone else's software, not a shareholder - if you don't like what they're doing with the software, stop using it and don't ----- about it. It's their software. Quit the community center.
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
Currently anyone would have to manually search for this information. As i said, its out there, and we all know that when we use these sites, but to create a central database where all this information is collected and linked together creates a whole new level of keeping an eye on ones online activities.

IMO this is the entire point of this idea, as usual hidden under the guise of doing some thing to make our lives easier online, or to "protect us from terrorists" as with the IC Cards. When they want to link your Facebook profile and other online activities with your ID card, will you still think its a great idea?

There would want to be an opt in option for this sort of thing, people signed up to these places already shouldnt be made to be a part of it.
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
But... there already IS a central database. It's Facebook's ads. All of those ads have access to ALL of your personal information already. It's just the difference between paying to put up an ad and (presumably) paying to be in this Connect database. And how exactly are they going to find out my identity? There are already plenty of people on Facebook with my name... are they going to cross-reference my friends and guess at who I am? :) Lol. Let's not get paranoid/slippery slope about this. This isn't THE MAN accessing a giant database of information. It's a bunch of for-profit companies skimming your Favorite Music profile on Facebook, cross-referencing with last.fm, and throwing up ads on your Google searches.
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
Thats just what they are telling you.
Facebooks ads may know the interests of the person who is viewing them, but the companies dont get personal information. This is openly sharing all information, and its not just sharing your interests for the purpose of delivering advertisements. Its all data you enter into these sites shared.

Even the way advertisements are targeted on these sites currently is sketchy, if they are based of personal information.
 

themoose

Sup, Recoil here.
NLC
But... there already IS a central database. It's Facebook's ads. All of those ads have access to ALL of your personal information already. It's just the difference between paying to put up an ad and (presumably) paying to be in this Connect database. And how exactly are they going to find out my identity? There are already plenty of people on Facebook with my name... are they going to cross-reference my friends and guess at who I am? :) Lol. Let's not get paranoid/slippery slope about this. This isn't THE MAN accessing a giant database of information. It's a bunch of for-profit companies skimming your Favorite Music profile on Facebook, cross-referencing with last.fm, and throwing up ads on your Google searches.
The ads do see your personal information, but they don't see who you are. So they have your information, but not your name/location etc.
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
Wrongo. I get ads for Houston apartments and singles websites ever since a few of my friends moved to Houston. fnixws, what "other information" are you talking about? Pictures? Notes? I have no idea what it is that you're trying to protect here.
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
Errr... the information THATS NOT PUBLIC is to be shared amongst the companies, that and the possible future abuse of the system (like in JasonSs case) make it a bad idea.

Id prefer Open ID, at least its voluntary.
 

themoose

Sup, Recoil here.
NLC
Wrongo. I get ads for Houston apartments and singles websites ever since a few of my friends moved to Houston. fnixws, what "other information" are you talking about? Pictures? Notes? I have no idea what it is that you're trying to protect here.
Yeah, they can see your friends personal information, but again not their names or anything that can identify them. It'd be like "User A has Users H, J, Q as friends who live in Houston."
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
So, they have a personally-identifiable marker for you as User A that is not your name, and that's okay, but once it's your actual name, it's not okay? Still not getting what we're all trying to hide here. This is very different from a government-run database on people or warrentless wiretapping, this is a bunch of companies pooling advertising information. What "not public" information are you talking about fnixws? So they have my name, my interests, and a list of my friends... nothing that 10 minutes of a PI's time couldn't find out anyway. I just don't understand what is so terrible about this information being shared to other companies - I'm already sharing it with Facebook. Hell, most people share the same information with MySpace, ie Rupert Murdoch, nobody seems too upset that a huge media conglomerate has access to all of THAT information.
 

Dynash

It gets better.
NLC
I just don't understand what is so terrible about this information being shared to other companies - I'm already sharing it with Facebook.
Because you want to. They can do advertising in a totally different way, it's even the same when they use IP addresses to display adverts like "Find hot babes in {City} now!", granted they don't get my city right all the time, but I still don't want some other website tracking my IP and crap just because I use another website.
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
Er, what? What new ways? You mean targeted advertising on other websites because of the information I put on Facebook? So what? I'll get suggested things that I will probably already like because it's based on things that I have listed that I've liked. I'm not really clear what's so bad about that. I don't mind it happening on Facebook, I'm not going to mind those same ads showing up on FWS and making it more likely for Peo to make a buck because the ads could actually WORK.
 

Dynash

It gets better.
NLC
I didn't say anything about "new ways" I said a different way. They don't need to SHARE the information they get with advertisers, all they have to do is sell the ad space, let the system to the work, and keep the information private between client and Facebook.
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
What they don't do right now (as far as I know, I've never bought advertising on Facebook) is say "User A is someone who likes pizza." With this new Facebook Connect thing, it makes it POSSIBLE (as I understand it) for Google to pull a list of people who like pizza. What are they going to do with that information? They are going to sell more pizza to people who already want pizza. This automates the collection of data that is already available - you have provided it to Facebook and, as a company that wants to make money with information, they're selling it. Don't provide the information to these companies if you don't want to see banner ads for Papa John's coupons.
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
So, they have a personally-identifiable marker for you as User A that is not your name, and that's okay, but once it's your actual name, it's not okay? Still not getting what we're all trying to hide here. This is very different from a government-run database on people or warrentless wiretapping, this is a bunch of companies pooling advertising information. What "not public" information are you talking about fnixws? So they have my name, my interests, and a list of my friends... nothing that 10 minutes of a PI's time couldn't find out anyway. I just don't understand what is so terrible about this information being shared to other companies - I'm already sharing it with Facebook. Hell, most people share the same information with MySpace, ie Rupert Murdoch, nobody seems too upset that a huge media conglomerate has access to all of THAT information.
I dont use my real name on Face Book, My Space or infact any website other than ones i need to pay for.

I dont want to sign up for some new service, and using a generic login, and have it extract my details from Myspace, facebook or infact any other site. Thats a clear violation of privacy.

Then theres the potential for abuse. Sure you can get a PI to track me down, but he has to work for the result, not simply enter someones facebook details into their search and get every possibly detail collected from all the sites ive ever visited.
Again, its a clear violation of privacy.

Then look it the other way. If your facebook gets hacked. Big deal, your other memberships to other sites are safe. With this system, 1 weak link brings down the whole system, and gives people access to everything.
Or, if you piss off Mr Rupert Murdoch by making a bad blog post about him, all that needs to be done is the termination (or taking over) of 1 account, and you have lost control.
Thats a nice way to silence people who are against you!

Fact is, it may not be a "government database" now, but thats how these things start. Major corporations want to gain control of the internet. They want to be abel to keep track of what everyone does, on and offline and supporting initiatives like this, is just helping them get what they want.

If you for this, then you must be for National ID cards, and embedding chips in people arms for Identification and Financial purposes. To me, its the same thing, especially once that start linking you National ID, to your online profile.
 

notnamed

/fws/
NLC
I dont want to sign up for some new service, and using a generic login, and have it extract my details from Myspace, facebook or infact any other site. Thats a clear violation of privacy.
Why not? Seems like a great time-saver to me. I sign up for Twitter, and I automatically follow all of my friends. That sounds pretty great.

Then look it the other way. If your facebook gets hacked. Big deal, your other memberships to other sites are safe. With this system, 1 weak link brings down the whole system, and gives people access to everything.
Or, if you piss off Mr Rupert Murdoch by making a bad blog post about him, all that needs to be done is the termination (or taking over) of 1 account, and you have lost control.
Thats a nice way to silence people who are against you!
Lol, abuse? The point of the system is that people can access this information. It's no different than if just Facebook were hacked. It's not like you post your credit card number or a list of your passwords on your super-secret Xanga account and then someone hacks this and finds it. Again, this is about not being stupid with your data, and only giving information you're comfortable sharing with other people. And let's not be ridiculous. Rupert Murdoch can ALREADY see that I'm posting about him right now if he's clever with his Googling. If you're going to be doing things online that are likely to piss people off to the point that they start deleting your accounts, buy a computer and hook it up in your basement and run your paranoid blog off of that instead of Myspace.

Fact is, it may not be a "government database" now, but thats how these things start. Major corporations want to gain control of the internet. They want to be abel to keep track of what everyone does, on and offline and supporting initiatives like this, is just helping them get what they want.
Let's cut the bull----, shall we? Do you have any example of the government taking over an advertising database? There are laws in place and officials in power to enforce the laws to prevent the government (at least in my country) from suddenly swooping in and taking over giant database of personal information without a huge amount of trouble. Example? Library records. The government cannot look up what books I check out at my local library. Why the hell do you think they can look up what I put on Facebook?

If you for this, then you must be for National ID cards, and embedding chips in people arms for Identification and Financial purposes. To me, its the same thing, especially once that start linking you National ID, to your online profile.
And you think I'm for these things why? For the umpteenth time, this isn't a government database. It has nothing to do with the government. It's all about pizza.
 

fnixws

Kicking your a$$
NLC
Yes, right now, he can see Mr "notnamed" of FWS.net is posting about him.

Not "Frank Jones, 101 North Road, Cheshire, England, 20003. Whos a member of facebook, myspace, itunes and gaypornsite.com. Listens to anti establishment. Also enjoys Pizza, Bowling and Horror Films. Supports the Liberal party, and associates with Bob, Bill and Jimmy (who he also has detailed info on) via IM daily. Bought an illegal BB gun from Ebay and Drives a red Honda." has just made a post about him in FWS.net.

Your mistake is thinking the Government and Large Corporations are separate entities. This is an Illusion, they arent, they are one and the same. the sooner people start to accept this, the sooner we can do something about it.
 
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