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Looters in Iraq
- Thread starter conkermaniac
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AngelaAndJewel
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I thought the same thing. Way to go!!
I agree with ^^. This is up to the Iraqis, if they don't manage their own affairs how will they manage their country in the future? Everyone has got a part to play.
n7of9
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THEY were the most responsible??
so its not saddam's fault, its not the UN's fault for not policing the situation like they were supposed to, its not the iraqi people's fault for destroying what is left of their heritage.....its America's fault!!!
Tibet - enough said!!
Conker you are a tool - a model citizen!!! good on ya!
p.s...i must add, i don't like to personally attack people's opinions on forums, where expressing one self can often come accross incorrectly or be misinterpreted, but Conker, you have done nothing but verbally bash the US for weeks now....you've made me so mad!!!!
you (and ALL of us) are in the very privileged position of being able to briefly converse with young people from all over the world, to learn something of the way of thinking of others outside our small society - to learn things from eachother that our teachers, our books and our parents can never teach us....yet all i read from Conker is hate of the US!!! i'm disgusted
either grow up and THINK before you lash out with your oft-harsh and single minded opinions, or don't partake in discussions about "grown up" issues
remember, there are always 3 sides to every story - your side, my side, and the truth
Let's try to stay away from personal attacks here, from both sides, ok? We disagree on a number of things and if you can't accept that you should most likely not participate in a public forum. This is not directed at someone in particular, it's a general comment on recent posts in the Iraq war threads.
Please discuss the issues and not the persons who post those views.
Please discuss the issues and not the persons who post those views.
Let me add a little comments: I do think Saddam should be removed, but this would go down into history for the wrong reason, one that nailed the lid onto the coffin of UN, after all UN didn't give the go ahead, and it would give rise to more anti-americans, instead of pro-americans that president Bush was mentioning.
I read this as: the UN didn't do as the US told it to so it doesn't have any function anymore.
The issue in the UN was upholding the sanctions, not regime chance. The question that needed to be answered was: "does Saddam have weapons that are in violation of the UN sanctions on Iraq". The US made a very poor case that didn't convince everyone and it wasn't willing to compromise hence the stalemate.
We'll see how the "pax America" holds up in the future.
Look...I have an American passport; I am an American citizen; and many Americans here would agree with my viewpoint! I do not think Americans should die in order to save these artifacts. I'm saying that the death of 100 million Americans would have less impact 8000 years down the road than the loss of these artifacts (8000 years from when they were made). Webdude is right in saying that my words "simply came out wrong". I apologize for my ambiguous comment.
An Iraqi overthrow of Hussein would leave Iraq in anarchy for a short while, but they would be quicker to establish a new government. The United States are only now sending over "police" forces to control the area before they set up a government (which will be at least a few weeks, if not a month). But in the improbable case that looting does happen, yes, I would hold the revolutionary government responsible, just as I do the United States responsible for what is happening. But you and I both know very well that this would not have happened so quickly had the US not interfered.
I'm not saying that Americans don't respect history. I'm saying that America focuses more on the 250-year history of United States than it does the world. That is unfortunate because it has made man Americans ignorant of what is happening in the world. The fact that the Treaty of Ghent or the Gold Rush of 1849 is more important than the Battle of Hastings or the Songhai Empire to many Americans is sad indeed. The fact that more Americans can find California (only the third biggest state in America) than the Pacific Ocean (the biggest ocean in the world) or Russia (the biggest country in the world) is humiliating. There are Americans who truly appreciate world history, but for the moment, the United States focuses itself far too much on itself and not enough on the rest of the world.
Yes, you are correct, but when there are so many people who will resort to looting, you must question whether the Iraqi people are capable of running an effective democracy with so many "bad apples" amongst their population.
And when did I assert that the Spanish are innocent? If there were any overly-patriotic Spaniards on the forum I'd probably say the same thing. All countries have had their faults, but it seems like Americans are the least willing to admit theirs. And the Japanese. But I'm pretty sure that the Soviets didn't run around the world proclaiming the liberation of the world from capitalism, yet America (and unfortunately, Americans as well) sees themselves as the "world liberators" -- promoting global democracy, freedom, capitalism, blah, blah, blah...where it's not needed and sometimes not wanted.
AngelaAndJewel
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Overly Patriotic?? Is this because it is a differing opinion??
Perhaps you should read both of my posts before responding?
But in any case, people who are overly patriotic -- yes, it is a differing opinion. What's your point? :devious2:
I disagree with you on this but I think the best way to phrase what you mean is simply this: "The artifacts are irreplaceable and historical. There loss is tragic and nothing can fix the situation short of recovering the artifacts" There is no reason to mention a loss of human life regarding it.
I agree with you that some people don't have the best knowledge of history but that exists in every country. Heck the literacy rates in some countries are beyond horrible. It's not really relevant to the topic at hand though. I also understand your point about the people looting but I have to respectfully disagree. There will always be a portion of bad applies in a group but thankfully they are usually of the minority. As long as the majority of the people are well intentioned people with the peoples interest at heart they'll be fine.
You aren't anti-American for having an opposing viewpoint conkermaniac but people tend to have that view with your avatar, comments, and the "Long live Communism!" comment by your avatar. I'm not sure if you sincerely believe that's a better way for a country to be run but there are many others that agree with you. The majority of the population disagrees with you as it flies in the faces of everything the founding fathers did for us. Anyway, to avoid such labels just view both sides of an issue and acknowledge them. Most people are happy to respectfully disagree but if they think you're trying to play devils advocate to provoke them then there is a completely different attitude taken.
My only other advice is in general and applies to pretty much all of us. We should stick to the issues at hand instead of constantly trying to refer to outside issues. Otherwise the debate never really ends and no one benefits.
Maybe I should've made it cleared: I meant now that Iraq is taken over by America coalition forces, it would give rise to anti-american feelings among the muslim world, which is opposite of the prediction mr president gave. Whether that would increase the number of terrorist attacks is unsure at present though.
If these were the only troublemakers in Iraqi society, that wouldn't nearly as bad, but who knows how many immoral, selfish Iraqis there are? I suspect that we've only seen a portion of these people. But it doesn't take a majority to influence the government. There are more Muslims than Jews in America, but I remember getting a day off from school for Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, while Arabic holidays seem to be ignored altogether.
The avatar and the slogan is more of a joke than my personal viewpoint. I don't like Communism very much, although I do support socialism more than I do capitalism.
Again, I would like to reiterate that I am not any more anti-American than Webdude is anti-French (for posting insulting comments regarding the French culture) or anti-Muslim (for posting about the boycott of Middle Eastern oil). I could make a similar case about people being anti-Chinese in that Taiwan thread. But Webdude was only starting a discussion -- he was expressing his viewpoints, and there is nothing wrong with that.
That's very true, but sometimes arguments just flow together. Undoubtedly, the Israel/Palestine situation has to come up when one is discussing Islamic terrorism and the Iraq war.
