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It's official, Bush will win comfortably in November.

Curtis H. said:
Please tell us why you don't think President Bush "has not been a good president" and while you are at it, why would Kerry be any better?

Here are just a few reasons why Bush hasn't be a "good" President..

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232: Number of American combat deaths in Iraq between May 2003 and January 2004

501: Number of American servicemen to die in Iraq from the beginning of the war - so far

0: Number of American combat deaths in Germany after the Nazi surrender to the Allies in May 1945

0: Number of coffins of dead soldiers returning home from Iraq that the Bush administration has allowed to be photographed

0: Number of funerals or memorials that President Bush has attended for soldiers killed in Iraq

100: Number of fund-raisers attended by Bush or Vice-President Dick Cheney in 2003

13: Number of meetings between Bush and Tony Blair since he became President

10 million: Estimated number of people worldwide who took to the streets in opposition to the invasion of Iraq, setting an all-time record for simultaneous protest

2: Number of nations that Bush has attacked and taken over since coming into the White House

9.2: Average number of American soldiers wounded in Iraq each day since the invasion in March last year

1.6: Average number of American soldiers killed in Iraq per day since hostilities began

16,000: Approximate number of Iraqis killed since the start of war

10,000: Approximate number of Iraqi civilians killed since the beginning of the conflict

$100 billion: Estimated cost of the war in Iraq to American citizens by the end of 2003

$13 billion: Amount other countries have committed towards rebuilding Iraq (much of it in loans) as of 24 October

36%: Increase in the number of desertions from the US army since 1999

92%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that had access to drinkable water a year ago

60%: Percentage of Iraq's urban areas that have access to drinkable water today

32%: Percentage of the bombs dropped on Iraq this year that were not precision-guided

1983: The year in which Donald Rumsfeld gave Saddam Hussein a pair of golden spurs

45%: Percentage of Americans who believed in early March 2003 that Saddam Hussein was involved in the 11 September attacks on the US

$127 billion: Amount of US budget surplus in the year that Bush became President in 2001

$374 billion: Amount of US budget deficit in the fiscal year for 2003

1st: This year's deficit is on course to be the biggest in United States history

$1.58 billion: Average amount by which the US national debt increases each day

$23,920: Amount of each US citizen's share of the national debt as of 19 January 2004

1st: The record for the most bankruptcies filed in a single year (1.57 million) was set in 2002

10: Number of solo press conferences that Bush has held since beginning his term. His father had managed 61 at this point in his administration, and Bill Clinton 33

1st: Rank of the US worldwide in terms of greenhouse gas emissions per capita

$113 million: Total sum raised by the Bush-Cheney 2000 campaign, setting a record in American electoral history

$130 million: Amount raised for Bush's re-election campaign so far

$200m: Amount that the Bush-Cheney campaign is expected to raise in 2004

$40m: Amount that Howard Dean, the top fund-raiser among the nine Democratic presidential hopefuls, amassed in 2003

28: Number of days holiday that Bush took last August, the second longest holiday of any president in US history (Recordholder: Richard Nixon)

13: Number of vacation days the average American worker receives each year

3: Number of children convicted of capital offences executed in the US in 2002. America is only country openly to acknowledge executing children

1st: As Governor of Texas, George Bush executed more prisoners (152) than any governor in modern US history

2.4 million: Number of Americans who have lost their jobs during the three years of the Bush administration

221,000: Number of jobs per month created since Bush's tax cuts took effect. He promised the measure would add 306,000

1,000: Number of new jobs created in the entire country in December. Analysts had expected a gain of 130,000

1st: This administration is on its way to becoming the first since 1929 (Herbert Hoover) to preside over an overall loss of jobs during its complete term in office

9 million: Number of US workers unemployed in September 2003

80%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce now unemployed

55%: Percentage of the Iraqi workforce unemployed before the war

43.6 million: Number of Americans without health insurance in 2002

130: Number of countries (out of total of 191 recognised by the United Nations) with an American military presence

40%: Percentage of the world's military spending for which the US is responsible

$10.9 million: Average wealth of the members of Bush's original 16-person cabinet

88%: Percentage of American citizens who will save less than $100 on their 2006 federal taxes as a result of 2003 cut in capital gains and dividends taxes

$42,000: Average savings members of Bush's cabinet are expected to enjoy this year as a result in the cuts in capital gains and dividends taxes

$42,228: Median household income in the US in 2001

$116,000: Amount Vice-President Cheney is expected to save each year in taxes

44%: Percentage of Americans who believe the President's economic growth plan will mostly benefit the wealthy

700: Number of people from around the world the US has incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba

1st: George W Bush became the first American president to ignore the Geneva Conventions by refusing to allow inspectors access to US-held prisoners of war

+6%: Percentage change since 2001 in the number of US families in poverty

1951: Last year in which a quarterly rise in US military spending was greater than the one the previous spring

54%: Percentage of US citizens who believe Bush was legitimately elected to his post

1st: First president to execute a federal prisoner in the past 40 years. Executions are typically ordered by separate states and not at federal level

9: Number of members of Bush's defence policy board who also sit on the corporate board of, or advise, at least one defence contractor

35: Number of countries to which US has suspended military assistance after they failed to sign agreements giving Americans immunity from prosecution before the International Criminal Court

$300 million: Amount cut from the federal programme that provides subsidies to poor families so they can heat their homes

$1 billion: Amount of new US military aid promised Israel in April 2003 to offset the "burdens" of the US war on Iraq

58 million: Number of acres of public lands Bush has opened to road building, logging and drilling

200: Number of public-health and environmental laws Bush has attempted to downgrade or weaken

29,000: Number of American troops - which is close to the total of a whole army division - to have either been killed, wounded, injured or become so ill as to require evacuation from Iraq, according to the Pentagon

90%: Percentage of American citizens who said they approved of the way George Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 26 September, 2001

53%: Percentage of American citizens who approved of the way Bush was handling his job as president when asked on 16 January, 2004

Sources: Vanity Fair magazine, Harper's Index, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, US Army (Washington), US Department of Defence, Iraqbodycount.net, Citizens for Tax Justice, Bureau of Economic Analysis (Washington), New York Times/CBS News Poll (NYC), US Department of Commerce, Cap Gemini Ernst & Young (NYC), Coalition Provisional Authority (Baghdad), World Health Organisation (Geneva), Office of Management and Budget (Washington), Centre for Responsive Politics (Washington), Bush-Cheney '04, Inc (Arlington, Va), Election Systems & Software (Omaha), United States Central Command (Tampa)

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some of those are completely irrelrvant to bush's presidency...

like the executions when he was GOVERNOR....
 
tandoc said:
some of those are completely irrelrvant to bush's presidency...

like the executions when he was GOVERNOR....

I don't find facts about his past political activities irrelevant to his holding a higher office. What he has done as a Governor will reflect on his Presidency.
 
tandoc said:
some of those are completely irrelrvant to bush's presidency...

like the executions when he was GOVERNOR....
If that were true, then why does anyone care about Kerry's medals? (Or Bush's tour of duty sometime back)

American elections just seem like a big joke from my POV. The candidate who can flaunt and squander the most millions on his campaign, makes the biggest spectacle and succeeds in digging up the most dirt about the other wins.
I realize my perspective is warped since I don't actually live in the US but I do read the American media. However, the only thing that has gotten me in the end is gossip about what one thinks about the other, what one blames the other for and why in one's opinion the other isn't fit.

Nothing concrete, nothing specific and I wouldn't even have a clue as to who stands for what besides a "Bush/Kerry sucks and Kerry/Bush is the way to go" (scratch names as applicable).

Sifting through everything it seems the majority doesn't want Bush for another 4 years but neither is the majority too fond of putting Kerry in charge for the next 4 years so it's just general malaise.

Disagree if you like, but for a nation that starts a war to instill democracy in other countries, it seems to play off its own elections as a popularity (or whoever you dislike the least) contest without much depth, meaning or revolving around any serious issues.
 
well i'm not everybody, but i don't care :p (about medals or tours of duty and what not)
 
LP-Trel said:
I don't find facts about his past political activities irrelevant to his holding a higher office. What he has done as a Governor will reflect on his Presidency.
Does that include senators who dream of being president? If so, oh my!
 
tandoc said:
but i think arnie should go for the presidency. at least he'd win hands down.
Humm, no

Did you hear arnold's last speach?
Wow... lamest I'v ever heard.

"I'm not American, Im Austrian, I'm an immigrant. I fled Austria when bad bad Russians invaded. Just like in my movies. Russia = Bad. In America, I became known, rich and powerfull. As an immigrant, YOU can succeed in America. Vote for my Party!"

Sums it up pretty much :)

Someone wrote that for him so they can rack up more immigrant voters... heh
 
tandoc said:
sure my statements have nothing to do with the debate, but i think arnie should go for the presidency. at least he'd win hands down.
Arnold cannot run for President.
 
loggerheads said:
yet..........
Never. You cannot change the consitution to allow someone who migrated to the U.S. to run for President. That is one of the few things that the U.S. still has going for itself.
 
Unless I've been tought entirely incorrectly, if you get the 2/3 of both houses you can change the constitution however you want, except for some exception about state's voting rights or something. Please feel free to prove me wrong.
 
i really hope bush is voted out of the white house, i really do. because quite simply he is a little kid in charge of a really big machine. you only have to see that he has 'pulled the wool over the eyes' of the american people to go to war over that was never really justificated, and was based upon a whole lot of lies and he has pushed his country into the ground; making them all paraniod and fearful about nothing. He really is a dangerous person who really shouldn't of been brought into power in the first place. i can't believe people seem to forget this and act all ignorant. i don't believe the american people could be more worse under anyone else.
 
Aight guys, time to vote:

John Kerry:
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VS


George Bush:
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:biggrin2:
 
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Robert said:
Never. You cannot change the consitution to allow someone who migrated to the U.S. to run for President. That is one of the few things that the U.S. still has going for itself.
Unless policies change (slim chance).
 
Curtis H. said:
Leave that up to the American people to decide. :wink2:
and that whats scares me the most, that the american people will vote him back in and its all up s**t creek again.
 
a) sheer propaganda and manipulation does that... :rolleyes: shame the guy has to manipulate people's emotions to do it

b) polls are inaccurate.
 
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