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oniscorp

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Hello,

We are now offering hosting with Direct Admin control panel. Still no ads, still no gimmicks.

800 MB disk space (1 GB if no control panel)
15 GB bandwidth (20 GB if no control panel)
Unlimited domains/subdomains
Linux, Apache, MySQL, PHP 5,
FFmpeg, Image Magick, phpMyAdmin, webmail, customizable spam protection, mailing lists.
Direct Admin control panel.
DNS control.

http://www.dontgetcaughtwithoutone.com/signup/
 
Personal Info on Signups

Hi oniscorp.

I looked at your signup pages. I notice it asks for "Real name, no aliases and phone number". I believe that is a mistake on the free hosting side. I believe a big security risk is orphaned data when a host folds. Right now it is a push between who is more reputable, the client or the host. If you look at my project thread I am down to five hosts from an initial 30. (!!) So I for one have the policy that for free hosts, I do not give out personal information.

I also of course have the money to pay for hosting ... but the process of collecting that money encourages most of the hosts to claim an excuse to collect personal info! So for the paid side, I intend to keep that policy. However there remains a technical challenge of how to do secure anonymized payments.

Also I saw your space amt is 800 megs. I am promoting 1GB to be the new baseline standard for free host offers.
 
I agree with Tao. I would never give personal information like that for free hosting for the simple reason it isnt needed. Paid hosting can certainly require that as currency is being exchanged and legal options may be needed at some point if something goes awry. As for free hosting, there is no need to collect personal information, as should something happen against ToS you simply delete them and have authorities trace IP if needed.
 
TaoPhoenix said:
Hi oniscorp.

I looked at your signup pages. I notice it asks for "Real name, no aliases and phone number". I believe that is a mistake on the free hosting side. I believe a big security risk is orphaned data when a host folds. Right now it is a push between who is more reputable, the client or the host. If you look at my project thread I am down to five hosts from an initial 30. (!!) So I for one have the policy that for free hosts, I do not give out personal information.

I also of course have the money to pay for hosting ... but the process of collecting that money encourages most of the hosts to claim an excuse to collect personal info! So for the paid side, I intend to keep that policy. However there remains a technical challenge of how to do secure anonymized payments.

Also I saw your space amt is 800 megs. I am promoting 1GB to be the new baseline standard for free host offers.
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I see where some users would have problem with submitting their name and number, fair enough. But we are offering free hosting in exchange for nothing more than a name and phone number, and no information is ever used. We just like to have our records updated. This information is not stored on any publicly accessible server for more than 48 hours. We do offer 1 GB disk space for clients with no control panel, and we plan on upping the numbers in the near future, but we are just getting started. I am sorry that we don't currently suit your needs, maybe soon!
 
Sain Cai said:
I agree with Tao. I would never give personal information like that for free hosting for the simple reason it isnt needed. Paid hosting can certainly require that as currency is being exchanged and legal options may be needed at some point if something goes awry. As for free hosting, there is no need to collect personal information, as should something happen against ToS you simply delete them and have authorities trace IP if needed.
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Let's not forget, IPs change, even static ones. I do not consider a name and phone number to be too personal. We are not asking for credit card information or addresses. Sometimes the internet is a little too anonymous when it needn't be so. My name is Kris, nice to meet you. (We only require a first name, by the way)
 
oniscorp said:
Let's not forget, IPs change, even static ones. I do not consider a name and phone number to be too personal. We are not asking for credit card information or addresses. Sometimes the internet is a little too anonymous when it needn't be so. My name is Kris, nice to meet you. (We only require a first name, by the way)
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We can discuss this in PMs if you want, but names and phone numbers are "second order personal" info. For twenty years the going rule on the net was using internet brand names to avoid regular names from drifting too far into unscrupulous names. If you consider the service you are providing, having a name offers no real value to you other than "to get nasty" if things go sour. Lately the media has gotten too rabid posting "X person did Y action and now the net will know forever!". Same with the phone - why would you ever need to call me?

Just supposing you're a nice company, suppose you decide "this is no longer fitting our business needs", and you sell your client base... and there are a lot of "professional turnover specialists" here - I have ZERO trust in your successor.

I stand by my "brand image". I have some ten posts that are a little fierce in hundreds on this site. If that's not enough to offer services to me, then a name and phone number won't tip the balance for honest reasons.
 
oniscorp said:
We do offer 1 GB disk space for clients with no control panel, and we plan on upping the numbers in the near future, but we are just getting started. I am sorry that we don't currently suit your needs, maybe soon!
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Switch your feature mix to squeeze out the extra 200megs.
What 1GB has going for it is "easy on the eyes". I do need a panel. I don't need any emails, any databases, etc. 1GB is also a defense on the other side vs overselling. It's a doable range with "modern units" across a ton of hosts, so that much more sends red flags. I feel that even descending into megabytes feels so 2008. We know Moore's Law is kicking in soon, so hosts need to be leveraging that.
 
TaoPhoenix said:
Switch your feature mix to squeeze out the extra 200megs.
What 1GB has going for it is "easy on the eyes". I do need a panel. I don't need any emails, any databases, etc. 1GB is also a defense on the other side vs overselling. It's a doable range with "modern units" across a ton of hosts, so that much more sends red flags. I feel that even descending into megabytes feels so 2008. We know Moore's Law is kicking in soon, so hosts need to be leveraging that.
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We would possibly be able to supply certain users with both 1 GB of disk space and a control panel, if they were willing to sacrifice other features. This would be determined on a case-by-case basis, just make mention of it in the "requirements" text box in the signup form.
 
We actually do end up calling some clients. For instance, if you were to consume all of your resources of your account for the month and so ended up being inactive until next month, you would likely receive a call. We like to stay in touch with our members.
 
oniscorp said:
We would possibly be able to supply certain users with both 1 GB of disk space and a control panel, if they were willing to sacrifice other features. This would be determined on a case-by-case basis, just make mention of it in the "requirements" text box in the signup form.
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This is promising... but as a host you have to go one further and pre-define the plan. Call it the "simple max-space plan" or something. Negotiating case-by-case is too much work for fickle users.

Suppose I sacrifice nearly all features for that pair of specs... (unless I am missing some intermediary middleware). When I sign up for a host, I load some pages and that's it. I use zero features.
 
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