@ Meksilon
I'm sorry to say this, but you sir are the ignorant one. Based on your post I can assume that you will believe whatever you hear from the media and your view of the world is everyone standing in a circle, holding hands and singing songs.
-NEG rep. :mad2: And I see doing that removed a bar from your reputation - Good.
Smith Family: Founded by business men. Has over 500 paid employees. That's an enterprise right there. Where does the money come from to pay for the staff?
If they didn't pay their staff then all 500 paid employees would be taking money from Centrelink - is that what you want? Think before you say something stupid. The fact that they pay their full time employees is a good thing because it means they are not exploiting government welfare.
Salvation Army: Sexual assault on children.
Their Story.
News Report.
I'm not even going to justify that by clicking the link. Sexual assault happens? WOW you are so very well informed aren't you? Ever met any children that have been sexually assaulted? There are 4 such children who go to my Church. They go with their legal guardians who are Christians because their parent's (and specifically their mother's) group of friends is a bunch of paedophiles. Those non-Christians are the real enemy to children, and you're deliberately distorting the truth by selectively quoting facts
out of context.
Do you know anyone who works with or has worked with sexually abused children? If so please tell me how many are non-Christians, because all the ones I've met are God fearing Christians. And the children that were abused were not abused by Christians but rather by non-Christian paedophiles. How about checking your facts before you start ranting on about stuff you have no idea about?
Anglicare: Church backing. Churches have priests. And what are priests well-known for these days? That's right! Sexual abuse of little kids. And don't try to pull that different church crap with me, they all believe in Jesus. (Except churches with commercial interest)
Have you met anyone who works for Anglicare? I've met several. Have you met anyone from the Salvation Army Church? I've met several.
I've never once met anyone from my Church, or from any of the charitable organizations I've mentioned who believes that sexual abuse against Children is okay. Stop making straw man arguments and check your facts. Furthermore who are you aware of that is helping to address this issue? I can name several.
Are you also saying Tim Costello has a black heart?
In fact I can also assure you that every Protestant Church in Australia follows an open-complaint system for sexual abuse against children --> Complaints are made to the Church leadership/council, and are then brought to the Priest/Minister. He then decides, based on the denomination's guidelines, what procedure to take next - typically the Bishop will then be informed, and the appropriate govenment organization is informed (there's one for each state and territory in Australia). I should also note for those of you who are ignorant and are thinking "that process means the leadership can just bury it" - it is generally legally required that the complaint is made by a registered church minister
by law for a complaint to be made on behalf of the Church - and also, any person can make a complaint directly to the government authorities themselves. So - if a complaint of sexual abuse is made against the Church, then the Church has to bring it to their priest or to their bishop in order to lodge the complaint with the authorities - it's the law.
The process is designed so that it cannot be abused in the way you've heard about in the Catholic Church in America (where no one except the Bishop knows about the abuse) - in fact, if the abuse was to be made against a priest or anyone with a high position within an individual church the process is altered slightly - the leadership is still informed first, and then they must inform the Bishop. There's no secrecy, there are no ways to cover up allegations.
This is the procedure for any claims of abuse, regardless of whether its verbal, assault or sexual. There are also more safeguards in place, but I'm not going to bore you with them all now - it is suffice to say that the procedures and measures in place go
above and beyond those that are legally required. If you wish to dispute this, read up on them and then talk to me about it. Check your facts before making claims that are both inaccurate and deceitful.
People these days are crooks. It's pretty much every man for himself. If your vision of the world was true, then we would not have poverty in the first place to begin with, and scamming people would not be possible by being masked as charity.
Straw Man Argument.
Furthermore, I am not a communist,
Are we now going to get into a discussion about communism Vs capitalism? Are you happy to support these communist ideals:
Universal Healthcare
Public Education
Law Enforcement
Democratic government
Roads and community services
And still claim to be a capitalist? Or would actually admit that capitalism on its own doesn't work any better then communism on its own?? If you really support capitalism so much you would go and live somewhere where the above mentioned communist ideals do not exist - like in India for example. And if you really do not believe in Christianity then you should go and live in a Non-Christian and Non-Religious country like North Korea.
so I don't believe people who have no education or are too lazy to get a job should have the same financial status as me. I work my --- off day and night, so I can pay my bills, why shouldn't they?
Great, so lets abolish universal healthcare, and public education then? Do you know what kind of a person you are Sep? You look at something, and you think "wow this must be bad because it doesn't directly benefit
me". Yeah it's as simple as that, for someone who makes the outrageous claim that
I and out of touch with reality you are not doing a very good job of being in-touch yourself. So a few Church clergy have been involved with paedophilia - so what? How does that change the fact that the vast majority of child sexual abuse happens
in the home? If you care so much about preventing child abuse, shouldn't you be tackling that issue first and foremost before worrying about the odd church here and there that doesn't have sufficient safe guards in place?
Here is my main question to you Sep: What are
you doing to solve the problem of child abuse? I know several Christians actively involved in tackling this issue - as you seem to be so passionate about it I believe you must be doing more then they are, correct?
And you contradict yourself entirely over your stance on
community work. You condemn them for paying salaries - and at the same time you say "I don't believe people who have no education or are too lazy to get a job should have the same financial status as me. I work my --- off day and night, so I can pay my bills, why shouldn't they?" - so which is it? Should they have a salary so they can live or not?? You can't have it both ways Sep - either you're saying they should work 38hrs a week for free and have no money to live on and rely on Centrelink - or you're saying there should be no Centrelink and people should earn their money? If they should earn their money, and they cannot earn it through their community organization then you may as well be saying there should be no Smith Family, no community work (like homeless shelters, etc) at all? Is that what you're saying? You want the Australian people to have a system more like America??