"Making free hosting more of a valued item"

[Jun Luzon]

So in a sense Dayu you will allow your resellers to oversell there packages. And allow them to make offers that are unresonable as well as untrue?

There is a setting in whm where you can set a reseller account to allow overselling. I guess I will never put it on. Overselling is not really a bad thing, sometimes it is a great way to maximize the use of resources, but I will not allow my resellers to do it by default. Without overselling, sooner or later they will consume their quotas and will return to me for reloads. I'll check everybody's account then and see if we can oversell, if there is no room for it, then we shall upgrade our physical resources.

And allow them to make offers that are unresonable as well as untrue?

Inside FWS I can do nothing about their offers as no host is allowed to criticize some other host's offers. I will let them do what they want to do. If they offer the craziest offer in the world, I'll let them go on and make it real. But when they return to me for help, that's the time I can rant to them.

 

[tumble]

Should be interesting to see how your methods move along.

But we digress from the main subject which of course is:

Making free hosting more of a valued item

 

[GamePhreak]

Well, to increase its value, you can either increase its demand or decrease its supply. I think that the demand is too high as it is, so the only real way is to decrease the supply. The ways I can think of are: government regulation, heavy and informative campaigning against unrealistic hosts, join forces and force out the free hosts by targeting ourselves against their ads.

 

[Jun Luzon]

Well, to increase its value, you can either increase its demand or decrease its supply. I think that the demand is too high as it is, so the only real way is to decrease the supply. The ways I can think of are: government regulation, heavy and informative campaigning against unrealistic hosts, join forces and force out the free hosts by targeting ourselves against their ads.

I think you are posting in the wrong forum. This is a serious topic, for your information.

We are not talking about price, and value doesn't always mean price. Did you ever notice that we are offering it for free? The law of supply and demand is not applicable here because that law is all about price equilibrium.

 

[GamePhreak]

I didn't mean price. I am serious. People won't take it for granted if supply is low. Water is really cheap no matter where you are. Where is it more valuable in a non-price way: Third-World or Western-World?

1) Get the government to shut down hosts that encourage the "taking of granted" by offering unrealistic things.
2) Do the above ourselves with advertising.
3) Force them out ourselves by means other than advertising.

 

[ephekt]

I think the above few posts are quite off topic. Especially the one by GamePhreak talking about government regulations. Further I feel it is more accurate to say the demand is lower than the supply, otherwise how can you explain what companies have done today? Prices are so low to get people to purchase hosting that there are litereally hundreds of free hosting firms out there.

 

[Jun Luzon]

Water is really cheap no matter where you are. Where is it more valuable in a non-price way: Third-World or Western-World?

Neither.
Because there are only very few people who values ("treasure") them.
Yes, it has a price, but not the value we are talking about here.

1) Get the government to shut down hosts that encourage the "taking of granted" by offering unrealistic things.
2) Do the above ourselves with advertising.
3) Force them out ourselves by means other than advertising.

What you are trying to suggest is an organized monopoly of free web hosting which is very unrealistic in the first place. Remember it is free. We, at Fine Spot Network, doesn't label it "free" because it has no price, but "free as in freedom."

The value that we are talking about here is more of a respect to the server owner, polite requests and not arrogant ones, cosiderable requests that gives some little merit to the web host, and a little responsibility on the part of the requester about their received free accounts.

 

[Jun Luzon]

And... if I may add, a complete respect to the forum. Never to think that this forum supports requests for hosting for the purpose of warez and illegal materials.

 

[tumble]

I think the above few posts are quite off topic. Especially the one by GamePhreak talking about government regulations. Further I feel it is more accurate to say the demand is lower than the supply, otherwise how can you explain what companies have done today? Prices are so low to get people to purchase hosting that there are litereally hundreds of free hosting firms out there.

You hit it right on the head. Supply is way over demand. Just take alook around the forums and you can see that is a true fact. And why is supply well over demand? I belive it lays in the simple art of overselling. we all know people feelings on this issue. It lays in the reposnability of those selling resell package to control the overselling aspect of hosting. Who knows how deep the overselling flows thru a server. I bet sometimes it is really deep.

I bet if you took overselling out of the equation then you would have a vauled product and a more repectfull customers.

Now since everyone is out to make a buck and is desperate to get customers it comes as no surprise to see what has become of the free hosting industry.

Another factor to throw into the conversations is:

How many of the requsters and even the host are doing what they are doing out of passion? Very few indeed. You can almost tie down dang near 80% of request to making money one way or the other. Passion seems to be lost here at FWS and it seems that the high mighty dollor has taken grasp.

 

[GamePhreak]

I didn't say one was higher than the other (referring to demand/supply theory), but simply that demand was too high, and supply is all that could, really, be adjusted, so lower it. I think people are still thinking that I'm thinking value is price, but I really do mean value as in nonmaterial worth. And as for treasuring water, my question still stands. Who treasures it more: Those who have it guaranteed clean out of a faucet, or those who have dirty infected water from an old, half-reliable well?

I was looking at the most feasible solutions for getting this done (even though none of them are very feasible as things currently stand) instead of just talking about what is wrong or missing. Now, I've heard some interesting ideas about what the problems are, like "passion," "respect," and "overselling," to name a few. Now, how about those solutions?

 

[tumble]

To achive solutions one must have a tidy list list of issues
Making a list for Requster issues.
Host please Just copy and paste the list onto your replys. And if possiable please place your name at the top of your list

Tumbles grips:
Requsters:
1) Respect
2) To Demanding
3)Agrresive Attitude
4) Requsting space for Porn
5) Requesting space for warz
6) Requsting space just to make money ?