Stay away from SI!!!

[Peo]

lib deleted it himself or I did it by error... I got the same error message as you Matt when I tried to reply to it. I'm sorry if I deleted it, but I think he did himself. He was asking about what rules people break to get banned. On this the Ad Revenue forum only two persons have been banned ever. Both very abusive and banned for repeated abuse, ignoring warnings from moderators, spamming etc.

 

[ebird]

Originally posted by Robert from SI
ebird,

Your answers have been given.

You are choosing to ignore them.

No matter how many time I state the facts of the matter you continue saying the same things and imploring me to call you because now you are in the USA.

Please tell me how have you answered the questions:
1. You should have known you wanted to delete my account last December. Why you didn't tell me at that time and why you just simply deleted my account at that time?

I am waiting for the answers. Please tell me why!

2. You told the visitors of this forum that I gave false informaiton. You told them I gave your an SSN which points to a lady. You told them I am in China. You told them I changed my address in China to an drop box in US.

I asked you to give evidence. What was the SSN that I gave you? What was the address I gave you before I changed it? Why you called my current address a drop box? You have a poor knowledge of your own country!!! You have never seen an apartment no. with letter in it, have you?!

I looked through this thread and I didn' find the answers. Please give me straight answers here. I am so eager to know why you did those strange and unprofessional things.

You can just say "I want to use your account to generate more money for me as long as you don't ask for the check." "I don't want to give the evidence simple because I don't have it." "I deleted your account so you have nothing to approve how much you have eanred."

Don't beat arond the bush, alright?

 

[Robert from SI]

lib,

>>>>>>>>
How are webmasters expected to control this type of activity? All ads/popups are hosted on your end. I can't believe that many webmasters are running the bots themselves.
>>>>>>>>

I'm not sure you understood my statement. The persons who are doing this are con-artists, not legitimate webmasters.

Very few people (anymore) are participating in this type of activity. It's fairly easy to detect.





>>>>>>>>
I would expect that after a relatively short amount of time, you could build an open proxy list and start ignoring traffic from those proxies. How can you simply not pay the webmaster for any of the traffic?
>>>>>>>>>
We do exactly that. But the list changes daily, and it's huge. It's like holding back the tide with a broom.

And weather you can delete the traffic or not you still need to terminate the fraudulent affilaite. If a kid is coming to your candy store every day and he trys to shoplift his pockets full of candy you don't allow him to keep trying every day. You kick his butt out.

 

[Robert from SI]

>>>>>>
At the risk of sounding offensive, which I don't intend on being(it's just a matter of fact, as I see it), I wonder sometimes, reading though various forums on the internet, why your superiors or colleagues don't try to restrain you and restrict your forum posting online, as it seems to hurt your company's reputation more than it helps.
>>>>>>

As I'm the CEO I don't have superiors, but I do have partners. And to them, as to myself, the "proof is in the pudding". And the "pudding" suggests that we are doing something right since 1996.

The only difference between me and most other program operators is that I participate in forums and I occasionally respond to the folks that badmouth us. And nothing infuriates a cheater like being called on it. Most times they just slink away after calling me a few names. Sometimes they are more persistant.

The threads and forums you mention are really just a core of a dozen or so "conspiracy theorists", many of them anonymous, most of who have already slinked away. Meanwhile we just work hard, treat our affilaites and advertisers as best we can, and reap the benefits of our labor.

 

[lib]

Originally posted by Peo
lib deleted it himself or I did it by error... I got the same error message as you Matt when I tried to reply to it. I'm sorry if I deleted it, but I think he did himself. He was asking about what rules people break to get banned. On this the Ad Revenue forum only two persons have been banned ever. Both very abusive and banned for repeated abuse, ignoring warnings from moderators, spamming etc.

Ya, I deleted my post asking what the terms were.. I saw them.. not as clearly listed as I'd like, but I have no idea how it could be clearer really.

 

[lib]

Originally posted by Robert from SI
lib,

>>>>>>>>
How are webmasters expected to control this type of activity? All ads/popups are hosted on your end. I can't believe that many webmasters are running the bots themselves.
>>>>>>>>

I'm not sure you understood my statement. The persons who are doing this are con-artists, not legitimate webmasters.

Very few people (anymore) are participating in this type of activity. It's fairly easy to detect.

>>>>>>>>
I would expect that after a relatively short amount of time, you could build an open proxy list and start ignoring traffic from those proxies. How can you simply not pay the webmaster for any of the traffic?
>>>>>>>>>
We do exactly that. But the list changes daily, and it's huge. It's like holding back the tide with a broom.

And weather you can delete the traffic or not you still need to terminate the fraudulent affilaite. If a kid is coming to your candy store every day and he trys to shoplift his pockets full of candy you don't allow him to keep trying every day. You kick his butt out.

But you aren't selling candy. I disagree that it can be seen as a similar thing.

Many webmasters complain about SI simply not paying out due to their account being terminated.. I can't believe that there are that many con artists out there. I am sure there are some, but I don't see any process for investigating what you believe to be fraud.

Wouldn't it clear a lot of the mess if SI at least made some sort of attempt at investigating the fraudulent traffic? Especially when you have webmasters that are otherwise well respected complaining for months on end.

"It is doubtful that either of these pages (particularly the 2nd page, since it's blank) get the quantity of unique visitors daily to accumulate the earnings shown on the account."

Regarding that quote, I do feel it quite unwise to decide a referral is fraudulent simply based on your opinion that no one is going to that site.

Anyway, I have another question if you're still reading. A free web provider has to deal with a great deal of abuse. This abuse is dealt with in various ways by that provider, but when that provider is sending popups to visitors to a porn/warez site that is illegally on that server.. what happens? This type of situation is common and completely out of the control of the server administrator (who would probably remove the account and throw some sort of banner page in its place).

I really think that SI and the other companies that run ad programs should be a little more civil. It is wonderful that a niche forum such as this has its own representitive to answer questions and such.. but still, more could be done, especially to help save the reputation of the ad programs which have become notoriously unreliable due to the economy over the last 18 months.

PS - What services out there allow you to reverse-lookup social security numbers? Are you aware of anything out there for VAT lookups?

 

[ebird]

Robert,

I thought you were kidding, but now I know you were telling the truth, the only truth you have told here: you ARE stupid.

I asked you many times why you didn't delete my account when you knew you wanted to do that last year, you kept avoiding it.

You kept saying I gave the wrong information and the truth is most of my information you gave out here was wrong. And you deleted my account based on the wrong information. You are not profesional at all and you don't even have the guts to admit your mistakes.

I really don't have time to discuss this with you again. You don't worth my time. But I will try my best to spread the word out.

Nowadays, even one person company can have a CEO. so keep the CEO shit to yourself.

You use others to generate the money for you, and then deleted the account when people ask for the check. You know others don't have time to deal with you for several hundred dollars, and that's the way you keep the money to yourself.

Now, maybe you are happy again, since I hate talking with you and you can keep the money. But, I keep my right to ask the lawyer to audit your logs at anytime. I have saved every information on this thread, you better have whatever you say you have.

This is my last time to read this thread, so save your time to cheat others. The more you cheat, the worse punishment you will have in the future.

You are really disgusting!!! May God punish you!!!

 

[Dodzzz]

Robert, I think you should've disscussed it first with Mr.Chen before terminating his account.
Because it's not about being an admin in a message board or other free services that you can ban or delete member without warning/investigating it first (although it still is an unethical way).
You're dealing with a business client, despite what the truth is in this Mr.Chen's case, but it's still necessary to discuss and investigate first before doing an arrogant movement such as deleting member and cancelling to pay the money. it's just unethical.
You don't want everybody thinks your company is a group of unprofessional teenagers do you? (no offence, but even a 14 years old girl can build better webpage layout than your company do)

now back onto the topic,
why don't you answer Mr.Chen's questions here?

he said he lives and is living in California, but you said he lives in China. can you give us a prove or evidence that what you said is true?

also, you said that his SSN is fake, can you also prove this?

and regarding the traffic from proxy in China, can't you discuss this matter with Mr.Chen first? because as a webmaster, how can he controls his traffic? should he put something like this on his main site: Hey you Chinese don't go to my website anymore, 'cos I won't get paid by my sponsor! now get out! (this? sorry I'm no expert at this traffic control, but obviously it's not Mr.Chen's fault if it's true that most of the traffic is coming from China)

regarding the blank page, well I don't know much about this since it's Mr.Chen's property.

 

[Archbob]

I don't see how the SSN could have possibly messed up. They found mine instantly when I faxed them my legal documents, you should consider doing the same to prove yourself, that only takes 5 seconds.

By the way, I am also Chinese and my last name is also Chen. But my first name is Yinan.

 

[xGn]

Hey Robert..Pay me 1000.00 USD an I'll promote your site! lol..
=) Heh..I wish I got paid to promote sites! Not per every 1000 person I send.heh

 

[NC_TOM]

What does that post have to do with anything?

Sure, send him 333,334 fully-loaded popups and he'll probably give you that $1000 as long as you follow the rules perfectly..

 

[Kabir]

I think that Robert is very hypricritcal. I think this way because he says inligitamte traffic is wrong and is grounds for termination yet he keeps the inligitamte traffic going so he can keep getting paid from the affiliates that HE is cheating by continuing to let inligitamte traffic flow thereby cheating the affiliates the traffic is going to.

On another note, I think that Robert looks at every account for even ONE error, whether a digit typo for an SSN number or anything else and when he finds this error he deletes the account for his own lucrative gain.

I also think his bragging about how is cellphone selling company is doing better than major marketing stores around the world is not neccessary and shows a lot of unprofessionalness.

 

[Archbob]

Originally posted by Kabir


On another note, I think that Robert looks at every account for even ONE error, whether a digit typo for an SSN number or anything else and when he finds this error he deletes the account for his own lucrative gain.

You know that one digit can make the difference between a 50 year old CEO and a 16 year old hacker?

 

[Kaliber]

Stop avoiding the questions eBird is asking - I have been with your company in the past and have not gotten paid aswell!

Think about it: Perhaps it would be better to just admit your wrong, pay him his money and the whole thing is over and done with. Im sure a measly $200 is worth your reputation around here. I am never going to go with one of your companys again.

-Chris

Peo: Don't delete this, there is freedom of speech.

<<< mod edit >>> Edited because of personal attack, abusive language and here say. You may report your own experiences if you follow the rules posted at the top of this forum. /Peo

 

[Mika]

I wonder how a company as Robert described it, can use such methods to reply to their ex or present customers!! It doesn't look professional to me, it doesn't look good. Sorry Robert, but with this you'll lose many people (future customers).

 

[Archbob]

Well, go to SI forums, seems the greater majority of people there are perfectly happy(and being paid) by SI.

 

[Peo]

I know there's tons of personal attacks and abuse in this thread, but it's not possible to edit all of that. No more abuse will be tolerated. Persons responsible for abuse in this thread consider yourself warned. One have already been banned, might be more to come. Contact me via email if you have any questions about this, but don't post about it here.

Now please let's get back to the topic of this thread without any personal attacks etc. /Peo

 

[Jeff Booth]

Originally posted by Kabir
I think that Robert is very hypricritcal. I think this way because he says inligitamte traffic is wrong and is grounds for termination yet he keeps the inligitamte traffic going so he can keep getting paid from the affiliates that HE is cheating by continuing to let inligitamte traffic flow thereby cheating the affiliates the traffic is going to.

On another note, I think that Robert looks at every account for even ONE error, whether a digit typo for an SSN number or anything else and when he finds this error he deletes the account for his own lucrative gain.

I also think his bragging about how is cellphone selling company is doing better than major marketing stores around the world is not neccessary and shows a lot of unprofessionalness.

Ok, you're obviously missing the point that Robert didn't go 'looking for one error' so he could randomly ban people, he found an account that was not only delivering enormous amounts of traffic from proxy's, but also had anomolies on both the address AND the social security number.

Now look at the facts here, when you have an account with one error, it could be that - just an error. However when you have one person's account who has ALL these problems, don't you think there is a VERY GOOD CHANCE that something 'fishy' is going on? I sure as hell would, and I cannot blame SI for doing it too. They run a business, not a charity.

 

[Jeff Booth]

Originally posted by Mika
I wonder how a company as Robert described it, can use such methods to reply to their ex or present customers!! It doesn't look professional to me, it doesn't look good. Sorry Robert, but with this you'll lose many people (future customers).

Can you blame him? He has to deal with people attempting to cheat his company on a daily basis, then when they get busted they resort to 'calling him out' and in some cases 'slandering' him on a public forum, most likely as a petty form of revenge.

If I were in his position, I wouldn't think twice about talking the way he does to someone who slandered me and attempted to cheat my company.

I just don't get how people can break the rules, then claim innocense. Everything is *RIGHT THERE* in the terms, if you violate 1 term, you are history! And I can say without a doubt that SI is not some 'cheat company' that randomly terminates affiliates to save money, because frankly they have been paying me on time for over 1.5 years.. (popuptraffic, searchtraffic, allclicks, chfcp)..

My checks from them usually range from $50-$600 a month, and unless they only 'randomly ban people' who make over $2 grand a month, I can't see where you are coming from.

You broke the rules, you got caught, DEAL with it.

 

[Archbob]

I make only about $25 per month from them, but they have paid me without question. Funny they "randomly"
kicked you out but "randomly" decided to pay me.